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For a while, I've been meaning to find it - the epitome of automotive hypocrisy - a Prius and a Hummer owned by the same family.

Can a picture of that be found?


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"An anonymous reader sends in a story from Central Connecticut State University."

 by newuser42249000 on Apr 30 2009 (9 months ago)
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An anonymous reader sends in a story from Central Connecticut State University, claiming that a Prius takes more energy to manufacture than a Hummer — 50% more. In addition, the article claims that the Prius costs $3.25 per mile over its expected lifespan of 100,000 miles compared to $1.95 per mile for the Hummer. The article gets its data from a study by CNW Marketing called Dust to Dust, which is an attempt to account for all the costs of vehicles, from manufacture through operation through repair and disposal. The $3.25/mile cost quoted for the Prius is the 2005 number; for 2006 it is $2.87. This improvement pulled the Prius below the straight industry average — all the other hybrids are still above that average. And the Hummer is not listed at all for 2006. Update: 03/21 00:44 GMT by J : You might want to take those figures with a grain of salt; I don't think anyone's seen the supporting data. Read on for details.

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The Prius's mediocre cost-per-mile is due mainly to CNW Research assigning the car a short expected lifetime: 109,000 miles. Nobody knows where this number comes from because CNW has not published details about its derivation. If a car will not last very long, then of course its energy cost per mile is high.

Back in July 2006, when CNW's study "Dust to Dust" had just been published (and which remains, unchanged, the original source for today's news), I emailed its president, Art Spinella:

Hello,

I'm with the tech news and discussion site Slashdot.org. One of our readers submitted a story about your Dust to Dust study.

According to Wikipedia, the Prius comes with a 150,000 mile warranty in California and a few other states; 100,000 elsewhere.

On p. 21 and p. 40 of your report I see that you estimate the average Prius will be "removed from the streets... and sent for disposal" at 109,000 miles. Can you explain how you arrived at this figure?

Thank you.

I did not receive a reply.

My question was about the cost-per-mile denominator; here's another critique questioning the numerator.
Sources: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/20/1858204&from=rss
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"I can't find the picture online, but I know at least one garage like that."

 by kdmloud on Apr 30 2009 (9 months ago)
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The Governor of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger who is known for his love of Hummer (according to this article he was the guy who convinced GM to make a consumer version of the Hummer in the first place!) http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/auto/car-guide-2004/hummer.asp?keyword=&authorid=197&firstn=Paul&middlen=&lastn=Bannister

Well, he's a late/recent convert to being a supporter of hybrid vehicles. He hasn't gotten rid of his gas guzzling hummers but has added a Toyota Prius to his garage according to here:
http://priuschat.com/forums/prius-main-forum/7681-schwarzenegger-drives-prius.html
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