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 by ct1950la on Sep 11 2007 (29 months ago)
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So much that is wrong with education today can be traced back to the parents.  First of all, many parents take no interest in their kids education - never asking about homework, tests, projects etc.  How many parents go to back to school night?  I have two sons - both in college now - and between the two of them, I missed one back to school night because I was in the hospital.

How many parents want the schools to teach their kids sex education?  How about morals?  Should the schools be teaching these things - I think not.  Violence prevention?  Harassment?  Manners?  Parents have abdicated too much of their power to the schools - and the schools are not set up to handle these extra duties.  Kids used to be sent to school already knowing right from wrong.  The school didn't need to teach that.

Parents need to take back their kids - support their kids at school - help them with schoolwork if necessary.  I had to teach my kids how to write reports - and it took many reports before they felt confident about doing it without my help.  In high school they turned out college level reports on their own.  I shouldn't have to teach the kids to write - let the schools do what they are best at - teaching reading, writing, and arithmetic .  Teach the social issues and morals at home.

And don't even get me started on state testing - that is another thing that is really wrong with the schools.  But I will save that for another question.
Sources: Trained teacher, mother of two, experience

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""No Child Left Behind""

 by lizita on Sep 11 2007 (29 months ago)
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With this, education was supposed to improve - but the jury's still out on whether it has been beneficial or detrimental.  There are arguments for both sides.

 

Then there is the issue of SAFETY.  Guns, drugs, alcohol, violence... no school is untouched, public or private!

 

Parenting - many educators are faced with the need to be "parents" as well as educators to their students.

 

How to make the $ go farther...and farther...and farther.  It really is amazing what some schools can do with the funding they are given.  Giving students quality education with the money they have - THAT's a challenge! 

Sources: 21 years in public education
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"Understanding the priority for solving problems of those who don't do as well"

 by blunk on Sep 12 2007 (29 months ago)
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Here’s the framework for my answer: what is the most important problem to solve in working on all of the problems of education?  Where should we devote most of our resources?

 

The problem of education is so connected to so many other issues.  Let me try to give you some examples.  We know that income and parental education are the best predictors of children’s success.  This doesn’t mean that these are causes of children’s success, but that they are strongly related.

 

How might income and parental education affect children's education?  Well, if you are wealthier, you can purchase better schools that have access to more resources; whose teachers have more education and are more up to date on effective teaching methods; and where the environmental conditions (access to windows, teaching tools, the environment itself) expose the kids to a wider range of data.  Similarly, parental education probably prepares parents to support their children's education in a number of ways.  These might include parental tutoring; parents exposing kids to learning opportunities (travel, etc); a value on education; music lessons, gymnastics lessons, math tutoring, computer clubs, etc, etc.  When the child needs help, the parent is equipped to provide it.

 

So what happens when things go wrong for kids?  What happens to children from poor, single parent, families?  The kid lives in a home with a single mother, who may be a drug user, has, at best, a low-paying job, say cleaning houses, and they live in a home with a leaky room, no heat, cockroaches and trash everywhere.  The mom has no time or energy to prepare meals and the kids come to school hungry.  They may not have slept because they've been fighting cockroaches, or even the mom's boyfriends all night.  If they have homework, the mom has no time or energy or skill to help them with the homework, and even if they see the mom, she sees them as a burden, not a joy. 

 

So where do we start?  Do better schools help these kids?  Would the best school in the world with all the resources you could want help?  Or do we need to get the mom off drugs?  Do we need to get her a better job?  Do we need to get her into a GED program.  Which of these things is the most important, so the mom can provide support for her kids learning?  Do we need to get her health care?  Or child care during the day so she can work?  Where do we need to start?

 

This is the most important question I think to be answered regarding education right now.  If we know where to spend the most of our money, and say it is parental education.  Perhaps if we get parents educated with GEDs, they can get better jobs, and then have more income, and then find a better place to live, and help their kids with homework, and get them fed, so they can actually get to school in a condition to learn, and then we provide daycare, and homework helper lines, and computers to access the homework help, and medical insurance so the parents don't have to worry about health, which takes them away from caring about kids, and then we can focus on schools, and teachers, but the kids won't be such discipline problems because their home environments will be more supportive.

 

Do you see what I mean?  I wonder if there is a keystone to this education problem, and the problem isn't schools or teachers, or resources, or educational philosophy, but maybe the problem is somewhere else, and if we take care of that, everything else will fall in place.  Or maybe we have to work on all the problems all at once.  But I feel pretty certain we are wasting resources all over the place, and while testing may help identify who is having problems, it, in no way, helps us figure out how to solve the problem.  The problem may have nothing to do with schools at all.  But the research isn't there, yet, to tell us which is the root problem, at least, as far as I know.  Maybe someone else out there knows of research that answers my question.

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"Illegal aliens."

 by dirtyD on Sep 12 2007 (29 months ago)
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With states straining under gaping budget shortfalls, public schools throughout the country are facing some of the most significant decreases in state education funding in decades. In some states, drastic cuts mean lay-offs for teachers, larger class sizes, fewer textbooks, and eliminating sports, language programs, and after-school activities. Nearly two-thirds of the states have cut back or proposed reductions in support for childcare and early childhood programs. Some are even shortening the school week from five days to four.

While these massive budget deficits cannot be attributed to any single source, the enormous impact of large-scale illegal immigration cannot be ignored. The total K-12 school expenditure for illegal immigrants costs the states nearly $12 billion annually, and when the children born here to illegal aliens are added, the costs more than double to $28.6 billion.1

This enormous expenditure of the taxpayers’ hard-earned contributions does not, however, represent the total costs. Special programs for non-English speakers are an additional fiscal burden as well as a hindrance to the overall learning environment. A recent study found that dual language programs represent an additional expense of $290 to $879 per pupil depending on the size of the class.2 In addition, because these children of illegal aliens come from families that are most often living in poverty, there is also a major expenditure for them on supplemental feeding programs in the schools. Those ancillary expenditures have not been included in the calculations in this report.

The data presented here provide yet one more illustration of the costs of turning a blind eye to illegal immigration and should provide further impetus for states to demand that the federal government finally take effective and decisive action to restore integrity to our nation's immigration laws.3

Providing K12 Education to Illegal Immigrants: Costs to States

The 1.5 million school-aged illegal immigrants residing in the United States4 and their 2 million U.S.-born siblings can be divided among the states using government estimates of the illegal alien population.5 Using each state’s per-pupil expenditure reported by the U.S. Department of Education,6 cost estimates for educating illegal immigrants in each state are shown below. 

Piggy Bank 2005 Table 1

The calculation of the number of children of illegal aliens in the K-12 public school system indicates that more than 15 percent of California’s students are children of illegal aliens, as are more than ten percent of the students in Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Nevada, and Texas. More than five percent of the students are the children of illegal aliens in Florida, Georgia, Kansas, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Rhode Island, Utah, and Washington.

Defenders of illegal aliens assert that the cost of educating illegal alien students is offset by the taxes paid by their parents, but study after study shows that immigrants cost taxpayers much more in public services used than they pay into the system via taxes.7 This is particularly true of illegal immigrants, who are disproportionately low-skilled and thus low-earning and are much more likely to be working in the underground economy or providing contractual services and not withholding taxes.

A look at the top ten highest state expenditures provides a stark illustration of the trade-offs for accommodating large-scale illegal immigration:8

In California, the $7.7 billion spent annually educating the children of illegal immigrants—nearly 13% of the overall 20045 education budget—could:

  • Cover the education budget shortfall for the 2004-05 school year, estimated by the Legislative Analyst Office at $6 billion and nearly cover the $2 billion reduction this year from the Proposition 98 formula.
  • Or, the remaining $1.7 billion could pay the salaries of about 31,000 teachers and reduce per student ratios, or it could furnish 2.8 million new computers—enough computers for about half of the state’s students.
  • Prevent educational shortfalls estimated at $9.8 billion over the past four years that have impacted on “…class size, teacher layoffs, shorter library hours and fewer counselors, nurses, custodians and groundskeepers.” (See Los Angeles Times, March 11, 2005)

In Texas, the $3.9 billion spent annually educating the children of illegal immigrants could:

  • Cover more than the $2.3 billion shortfall identified by the Texas Federation for Teachers for such things as textbooks and pension contributions.
  • Make Texas’ salaries for teachers more competitive by national standards, thereby reducing costly attrition, and recruit the 5,000 new teachers needed each year.

In New York, the $3.1 billion spent annually educating the children of illegal immigrants could:

  • Nearly cover the estimated $3.3 billion required by the state’s Supreme Court under the decision in the Campaign for Fiscal Equity case to establish equitable state funding for New York City’s public school system.
  • Help to reduce the $1.8 billion revenue shortfall for fiscal year 2005 in New York City.
  • Provide enough additional funding to nearly meet the $3 billion in health care cuts in the current proposed budget for payments to hospitals and nursing homes.

In Illinois, the $2 billion spent annually educating the children of illegal immigrants could:

  • Balance the current state budget—estimated to be $2 billion in the red—and make unnecessary adoption of the new taxes in the Education Funding Reform Act of 2005.
  • Help close the potential gap resulting from decreased federal 2006 funding to the state of between $1.07$1.35 billion.9

In New Jersey, the $1.5 billion spent annually educating the children of illegal immigrants could:

  • Go a long way toward solving the dilemma Gov. Codey noted on March 1, 2005, when he said, “I wish I could be here discussing a major investment in higher education or an expansion of health care because those are investments New Jersey needs to make, but I can't have those discussions, not with this [fiscal] mess in front of us.”
  • Help close the potential gap resulting from decreased federal 2006 funding to the state of between $682$845 million.

In Florida, the $1.2 billion spent annually educating the children of illegal immigrants could:

  • Fund the services eliminated as a result of a cut in federal funding to Florida public schools estimated by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities to be $565 million over the next five years beginning in 2006. Over the same period, the Center estimated an additional $321 million has been lost to the state for adult and vocational education as well as $3.2 billion in grants to the state and local governments and $392 million in “Strengthening America’s Communities” block grants.
  • Help close the potential gap resulting from decreased federal 2006 funding to the state of between $1.52$1.89 billion.

In Georgia, the $952 million spent annually educating the children of illegal immigrants could:

  • Raise the performance of the state’s schools described by Gov. Perdue in his 2003 State of the State Address in these terms, “Georgia’s education system is not what it should be. The National Assessment of Education Progress is the nation’s education report card. It shows Georgia is behind the national average on reading, writing, math, and science. For each of those subjects more than 50% of Georgia children are below the proficient level. Georgia also has one of the lowest high school graduation rates in the nation. And, to our shame, we rank 50th in SAT scores. We can sum up our report card in two words: “Needs improvement.”
  • Help close the potential gap resulting from decreased federal 2006 funding to the state of between $847$1,071 million.

In North Carolina, the $771 million spent annually educating illegal immigrant children could:

  • Redress part of a $1.2 billion state budget shortfall and obviate the need for new taxes proposed by Gov. Mike Easley for the 2006 budget.
  • Help close the potential gap resulting from decreased federal 2006 funding to the state of between $888$1,129 million.

In Arizona, the $748 million spent annually educating illegal immigrant children could:

  • Improve state funding for education, which in this year’s Quality Counts 2005 state-by-state education report ranked Arizona 50th in per-pupil spending. To close the gap with the national average in spending per student would cost the state an additional $1.6 billion.
  • Help close the potential gap resulting from decreased federal 2006 funding to the state of between $587$763 million.

In Colorado, the $564 million spent annually educating illegal immigrant children could:

  • Reduce the state budget deficit estimated at $900 million in the 2003’04 budget, and more recently by the Independence Institute at around $158 million for 2006.
  • Help close the potential gap resulting from decreased federal 2006 funding to the state of between $270$337 million.

Implications for the Move to Give In-State Tuition Rates to Illegal Aliens

Efforts are underway in several states and in Congress to allow illegal aliens to pay steeply discounted in-state tuition at public colleges and universities— rates not available to American citizens from other states. As state universities across the country increasingly limit enrollment, increasing the intake of illegal aliens into these schools will mean fewer opportunities and less aid for U.S. citizens and legal immigrants. It will also mean a higher cost to the state taxpayers; out-of-state tuition is typically two to 3.5 times higher than in-state tuition.10

In 2000, about 126,000 illegal immigrants under 21 were enrolled in college, according to research from the Congressional Research Service.11 Using 2000 data, we calculated that at non-resident tuition rates, they would be paying between $503 million and $655 million annually. If they were made eligible for in-state tuition discounts, they would be paying less than one-third of that amount, i.e., $155 million to $201 million—leaving taxpayers to make up the difference of $348 million to $454 million.12

We estimate that both the number of illegal alien students and thePiggyBank 2005 Table 2 tuition costs will have increased since 2000. In 2004 the estimated outlays would be about $839 million to $1.092 billion, and the discount for in-state tuition would reduce that to about $258 million to $336 million—leaving the taxpayers to make up the difference of $581 million to $756 million.

The cost estimates in the table at the right, distributed to each state according to their proportion of the illegal immigrant population,13 are for the 15 states with the highest estimated expenditures:14 Several of these states are already incurring these costs. In-state tuition provisions for illegal aliens are currently in effect in California, Texas, New York, Illinois, Washington and—through ‘don’t-ask, don’t tell’ provisions—in Georgia and Arizona.

Proposed federal legislation to give illegal aliens in-state tuition rates would carry additional substantial costs. According to the Congressional Budget Office, making illegal alien students eligible for federal tuition assistance through Pell grants would have cost $195 million in 2003 and $362 million over the 2003-2006 period.15, 16

The estimate by the Congressional Budget Office of costs for providing tuition assistance to illegal alien students and the state cost estimates of providing access to in-state tuition at taxpayer expense above do not include the U.S.-born children of illegal aliens because they are already eligible to attend college as in-state residents. However, it should be noted that these expenses, like their education at the primary and secondary level, result from the illegal immigration of their parent(s) and could be avoided if the immigration authorities more effectively deterred illegal immigration and identified and removed those illegally residing in the country.

Conclusion

All of our children—native-born and immigrants alike—are receiving a poorer education as a result of the federal government passing its immigration law enforcement failures on to the states. The implications for the coming generations of workers, our future economy, and our long-term competitiveness in the world cannot be ignored.

If the federal government remains unwilling to undertake serious enforcement of the United States’ immigration laws, it will eventually be forced to provide massive federal education funds to the states. A far more logical and cost-effective alternative—and one with considerable pay-offs in other areas as well—would be to substantially reduce illegal immigration.

Without a serious commitment to doing just that, the open borders and lax enforcement that allow millions of illegal aliens to enter the U.S. each year— and to obtain driver’s licenses and other official identification documents with virtually no fear of the law—will continue to undermine the will of the American people, overburden our communities’ financial resources, and imperil our children’s future.

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