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And how do you feel about that? What can be done to change it?


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 by roseredcity on Sep 17 2007 (29 months ago)
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Willette, I don't think the choices are even close to that extreme.  I think our 2-party system as it is now is rigged to give us a choice between "Same" and "More of the Same."

 

There may be some interesting (or not) rhetorical differences between the platforms of the Republicans and the Democrats, and certainly there are huge gulfs between the far-right Republican bible-thumpers and the far-left Government as Mom wing of the Democrats, but even the extremes aren't really socialists and fascists, that's just their election-dogma drag.

 

Both parties, in the end, rely on the centrists who form their majorities and don't have materially different desires and expectations.  They want a balanced budget, lower taxes, universal health care, great public education, fewer intrusive government regulations but greater protection from the dangers they care most about, genuine security and no wars ever, no changes to the Social Security provisions (except increased benefits) and again lower taxes.....well, who among us can deny this?  We want it all; that's the American Dream.

 

So, under the old principle that you get what you pay for, we keep electing these same old guys who tell us that "yes, sure, I can get that for you."

 

In what may be the best and certainly the funniest book written about the American government, Parliament of Whores, P.J. O'Rourke described what he would consider a perfect politician's platform:

 

"Why, send yours truly to Capitol Hill, and I'll ship the swag home in boxcar lots.  You'll be paving the roads with bacon around here when I get done shoveling out the pork barrel.  There'll be government jobs for your dog.  Leave your garden hose running for fifteen minutes, and I'll have the Department of Transportation build an 8-lane suspension bridge across the puddle.  Show me a wet basement and I'll get you a naval base and make your Roto-Rooter man an admiral of the fleet.  There'll be farm subsidies for every geranium you've got in a pot, defense contracts for Junior's spitballs and free day care for Sister's dolls.  You'll get unemployment for the sixteen hours every day when you're not at your job, full disability benefits if you have to get up in the night to take a leak, and Social Security checks will come in the mail not just when you retire at sixty-five but when you retire each night to bed.  Taxes?  Hell, I'll have the government go around every week putting money back in your paycheck, and I'll make the IRS hire chimpanzees from the zoo to audit your tax returns.  Vote for me, folks, and you'll be farting through silk."

 

And you know, they're all promising us that, and we're voting for them.


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"government as a circle not a line"

 by eris on Sep 17 2007 (29 months ago)
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Personally, I don't think there's much difference from the far right and the far left... I look at both as being on a spot on a circle rather than a line, with a tiny step to one side or the other one can go from strict socialism to strict facism.... after all, both assume a certain level of certitude about the correctness of their beliefs, a assertation that their way is the right way, and, of course, both need the entire population to agree for their idea to truly work.  And in the end both will justify very similar actions, usually with the same reasoning "it's good for the people" (it's good for the economy, it's good for the corporations, etc all being the same thing in the end)

 

I suspect that the only thing that will ever solve this problem is to get people to think outside of their current reality tunnels and belief systems... to actually think for themselves.  How many people still follow a party line quite strictly and yet consider themselves to be open minded?  How many people will write off someone's actions because of the letter behind their name?  It's the new religion, the new inquisition and it is exactly as stupid as the ones that have happened in the past...

 

How you get people to think that maybe, just maybe, their ideas aren't right, or they aren't right for everyone, or they won't work for everyone I don't know... especially when they don't even recognise that they even think that way.  Perhaps this is the dip in the path before great growth.  I hope so.

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"Absolutely not"

 by ACWebMaster on Sep 17 2007 (29 months ago)
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Even most of the left wing Democrats tend to be more to the right than the typical socialist or fascist.  In the cycles that out government goes through, I think we are currently moving away from socialism instead of toward it.  It will most likely stop before it reaches libertarianism and begin moving in the other direction, but mostly I think our system of government is rigged to keep us at a democratic republic.
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"No, I most certainly don't."

 by Snow_Leopard on Sep 17 2007 (29 months ago)
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Why would any devious group rig the two party system to provide for two such antithetical choices? They’d have to be plum out of their heads to give us a choice between those two types of systems, because they wouldn’t have an equal chance of maintaing their power in both systems.

 

So, if you are right, the mysterious riggers must be very powerful, very well concealed and stupid.

 

ERROR!!!!

 

ERROR!!!!

 

DOES NOT COMPUTE!!!!!!!

 

 

The image below is entitled "Existential Paranoia." Somehow it seems to fit in this discussion nicely.

 

 

 

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I noticed this question rather late, but it is a pet peeve of mine, so I have to step in belatedly.

Everyone please note that socialism and fascism are very closely related. The term "NAZI" stands for "National Socialist Party". Hitler was in fact a socialist. He spoke and was spoken of quite warmly by his fellow socialist of the time. He was critical of capitalism and thought private ownership was tolerable only with strict government regulation. There are of course many varieties of socialism. They do have differences and those differences are often the cause of considerable conflict. One of the main differences between socialism and fascism, is that fascism tends to be much more nationalistic. I have never fully understood why there has been an effort to portray conservatism and fascism as being the same. In fact the religious, political and economic philosophy of conservatism and fascism are actually incompatible.
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