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Now and then I see someone get into the "Artist Business" and they are painting away and they find that they can neither paint nor do open heart surgery... so they relegate themselves to being an "Abstractionist" painter. In other words... the get to the point where they are throwing splashes of color on a canvas and calling it art. It seems to me that though the color may be beautiful... unless you can find some unprentious person to think it art and buy it... it probably is not art but just a simple mess masquerading as "art". What do you think? How do you know when something is art and when it isn't? Keep in mind that as much as someone can declare anything as "art" you also have the right to declare it as "not art".


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"Well JayD..."

 by Nooone on Nov 26 2007 (26 months ago)
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A lot of people don't appreciate "true" art, nor do they know what it is. Some just see what they see and "like it" so they buy it.... others really study art and may offer another opinion. It's really all subjective though.

I go to my local museum and I am appalled at the artwork. I know another fellow making thousands on horrid work... Yet... it's up in a museum. Horrid work does sell sometimes for some crazy reason...

Be a skeptic, but don't close your mind... abstract does show of creativity at times, other times the artwork isn't art at all.. just mush on paper...you're the judge.

Study art, that's how you can tell officially, but it takes time and dedication, some people just don't care enough to take a few classes on it since it's not their top interest (I don't blame them for a moment). You develop an eye and learn what to "look for" by learning about color theory and what our eyes "see" versus what they "imagine" though, and I think some people could really use a critiquing class on everything.. not just art.

Art is personal, just like music.. you will likely never like "every" song on a radio station and you will likely never see one hundred paintings in a row you "enjoy."

I'm so angry at times because my boyfriend can't see the true beauty and artistic quality in one piece I think is amazing. On the contrary I can't see the beauty in what he thinks is great to view... In my head he likes simple art that doesn't make any sense. I have studied color and art a long time and find people like him drive me mad!

It's personal choice and never underestimate your own eyes. If you study art and learn what colors compliment versus which don't, and learn what the great "golden rectangle" is and how artists all tend to draw and work the same in their minds...

Somehow it comes together and you know that a piece is good.


Final answer:

Good art is defined by it's ability to appeal to a large audience. If just a couple people think the design is cool.... it probably is in it's own way. But if a couple million people can agree that it's beautiful you've truly made a work of art, be it abstract of otherwise.


Transcending time and space, amazing art defines it's place in history, makes a statement and is thoroughly loved by many people.

Famous art is a lot different than "good art," know what I mean JayD? It takes a lot more to be famous... and a lot of past art work we all grow up seeing is not nearly as amazing as some minds can produce today... but it's famous for it's time frame, and mass appeal during it's time. Back when Michaelangelo and all the greats were alive.. well... there wasn't much beauty in the world and not a lot to look at... now we can pop onto deviantart.com and customize.org alone and see millions of works by millions of people.  A LOT of rubbish... but as always history shows us... very few diamonds in the rough.

Hey you know what..an example too: I've got some crappy designs over at "customize.org/enlia" that have like over 100 views... but only like 20 official downloads. But.. I have one piece that has hundreds of views and downloads making it "popular" and that is why it's a good work of abstrat art. The other images I simply enjoy, that one... well many more can enjoy. It's not famous, but it's "good" enough... there are "famous" works on the site from the popular artists with upwards of 75,000 views/downloads and that's what makes their abstract art even better!

My guy will continue to not appreciate art.. to tell me my shitty drawings are amazing... and will continue to compliment work I think is horrid... but in time I'm teaching him to gain a critical eye and learn what he's viewing... I just think it takes some time to learn the ways of art.. it's a lot of history to learn.. and well..... there is a baby artist in every single one of us. It's very hard to create abstract and amazing art, and it sounds like you're viewing with a skeptic eye so far, just keep it up and hopefully some more insight can be shed on this. I gave the book answer that I learned in another class, but maybe someone will refute the idea that an image's popularity defines it's true beauty. I'm sickly opinionated about this.
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"Depends on the viewer"

 by blunk on Nov 26 2007 (26 months ago)
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Abstract art usually depends on the theoretical approach of the artist.  Some artists are exploring pure color or texture of their media (paint on canvas, glaze on clay, etc, etc).  Some are exploring negative space, or other things.  If you understand what the artist is thinking, abstract art can make more sense.

 

As to whether you like it or not, that's really a matter of personal taste.  I happen to enjoy pure color, and like to see compositions that are not representational, so I've enjoyed abstract art in the past.  Nowadays, I believe art is about living, and that seeing paintings in a museum is like seeing animals in a zoo.  They are not in their natural habitat, and out of context, you don't get much from them. 

 

Of course, some artists produce primarily for museums, which, I think, is a mistake.  But if you like traipsing through very large buildings with high ceilings and indirect lighting, and having pseudo-intellectual discussions, I suppose there is a role for museums and art in museums.  I prefer art in homes and in workplaces. 

 

I think art is decorative and story telling.  As decoration, abstract art can be quite good, so long as it fits your color scheme or fits other aesthetic purposes.  There are times when you don't want people studying art for its meaning.  You want it to be part of the background. 

 

Even abstract art tells a story, although you really have to stretch your imagination to get the story, and often you have to have experience with the construction of such art in order to get the story, because the story is about the creation of the work itself.  In other words, it's a metastory, or a story about a story, and as such, it has a rather esoteric plot, which few people can identify with, simply because most of us are not artists.

 

So anyone can splash color across a canvas.  And you don't even have to have a theory to do it (although I bet you do have a theory, even if you are not aware of it).  You can call it a mess, or you can call it decoration.  But remember, a lot of art is about marketing and reputation and status.  If you build a reputation, even if its based on your theoretical thinking, you can make your art work more valuable.  Usually you need to be first on the scene in order to get credit for it.  Anyone can be a Jackson Pollock imitator, but everyone else will say "that's already been done"  and no one will pay much for it. 

 

As you say in your question, art is much a matter of opinion.  The real question is whether you like it or not.  If you don't like it, can you believe that other people might like it?  Can you understand that folks might like it for intellectual or historical reasons as much as for aesthetic or story telling reasons?  If so, you might not have a problem with others liking stuff you don't like.  But often art belongs to a rarified intellectual environment, and folks who are used to pictures that tell stories, have no idea what story a piece of abstract art is telling, so they just don't get it, and wonder what all the fuss is about.

 

This is perfectly legitimate.  The problem comes when government spends a lot of money on "art" that most of public doesn't get.  Or government refuses to pay for art that a lot of people get, but it doesn't fit within the academic understanding of art.  The Rocky statue in Philadelphia is a good example of the latter.  People love the story, and they wanted the statue at the top of the Art Museum steps.  But since the image comes from the movies, and doesn't represent much thought, the academe devalued it, and it was hidden in the trees at the bottom of the steps.  It's value depends on your opinion of the movie.  It means little without the movie. 

 

Most art museums are about "high" art, which is part of an intellectual tradition.  You have to know the history to "appreciate" a lot of this art.  It's not about liking it, but about understanding what it has to say.  This is a way of separating the educated and upper classes from the rest of the folk.  So, when you say you don't like abstract art, for better or for worse, you are, on average, saying that you are an ordinarily educated person, who likely doesn't have much more than a college degree in some practical discipline. 

 

Discussions about art, in the end, I would argue, are discussions about class, and a way for people to separate themselves into a hierarchy.  This is what people do, and you can rail about it, but you will never get it to stop.  My advice: ignore it if it bothers you.  Join in, if you enjoy intellectual discussions and fruitless arguments (they can be quite entertaining).  And always stay in touch with what you like, based on your own predilections, no matter what anyone else tells you.

 

If you want to make money doing art, make sure you have a good understanding of marketing principles, and develop a good, convincing, intellectual-sounding story to justify your art.  If you are working with a material or a media or a technique for a while, your facility learned through practice will show.  Yet, with some techniques, you hardly need any training to put out something credible.  And, as always, luck is involved too.  So, have fun!

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"Pretentious Graphic Design?"

 by mabinog62 on Nov 26 2007 (26 months ago)
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I have never been as impressed with abstract art as I am with art of natural objects.  As you say some of it is pleasing to the eye, but that is a matter of personal taste I think. 

 

I see abstract art and I often think that it would look very good on wallpaper or on textile products and yet it has broken out of that more manufactured and commerce driven genre to fine art.

 

Most of it I would not buy to put on my wall.  I would rather have a nice landscape in pastels or something of the like.   

 

 

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" learned the definition of art in college:"

 by TheLightWorks on Nov 26 2007 (26 months ago)
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Art is something that is created for no useful purpose.

 

(no quibbling on the definition, art CAN be a part of something that is useful, but the part that is art has no useful purpose)

 

Therefore, by that definition, splashing paint on a canvas is art.

 

HOWEVER: not all art is good art.  whether it is good art or not is subject to the specifications provided by the end user.

 

case in point: when any government building is built or remodeled, 1% of the cost of construction is required to be used to purchase art.  the typical way it seems to happen is that the occupant selects an artist at random out of the phone book and tells them, "I have a government building, and I need $x worth of art."  The artist then provides something, and the entity pays them the stated amount.  This happened several times while I was in school, and one instance is that a rusty hulk of twisted steel was installed in the apron of the student union.  There was an immediate outcry, ranging from cleaning the rust off, to telling the "artist" that the students wanted their school's money back.  after a certain amount of furor, the greatest percentage of which related to traffic hazards, the school relocated the sculpture out of the traffic pattern.  The students, for the most part, were satisfied with the solution.  the artist, however, was livid, because he had designed the sculpture for the original location.  I am not sure what the actual response was, but the consensus of the students was that if he didn't like what we did with it, he could refund our money and take it away.

 

 


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Nooone,

While I think you make some good points in this post, I think your final answer is not quite right. Trusting the masses to pick out what good art is will inevitably leave you about 30 years behind the curve. New styles, including abstract art are almost always reviled by the public at first as "not art," and often as heretical. This was true of every major movement of the last two centuries.

Impressionism is a great illustration. While you would find very few people today who would argue that Monet was a talentless hack, that was exactly what the academic establishment and the general public argued at the end of the 19th century. The same was said of Jackson Pollock, Willem deKooning, Rothko etc., but it's an argument that has long since been resolved by historians. The argument has since shifted to Pop art (resolved by Andy Warhol, et al.), conceptual art, performance art, and now, digital art.

My answer is, if someone asks "is it really art?" The answer is "Yes".

You do still find those out there who argue abstract art is not really art (see http://www.artrenewal.org/articles/2005/abstract/ross1.asp) and make some very valid points, I am reminded of people who continue to article the Earth is flat. You can make some pretty convincing arguments - you could even say that for most of history the majority of humanity believed this to be true - but the fact is simple, the earth is a sphere, and abstracts are art.

All my best,

J. Jason Horejs
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